East Asia Tour - April 2010

plumpuff6 · Post by **plumpuff6** » 15 years ago

dani wrote:Why have Libera managerment never done progammes for this country ?

Everbody who goes to a concerts has a chance to buy a progamme as its a momento(sp) of the concert and most people are happy to spend cash on one. Why not give fans that option over here ? as its so cheap that tacky piece of A4 paper and frankly insulting.

Agreed. If I ever got the chance to go to a Libera concert, I'd want to buy a program. Definitely.

fan_de_LoK · Post by **fan_de_LoK** » 15 years ago

dani wrote:Why have Libera managerment never done progammes for this country ?

Everbody who goes to a concerts has a chance to buy a progamme as its a momento(sp) of the concert and most people are happy to spend cash on one. Why not give fans that option over here ? as its so cheap that tacky piece of A4 paper and frankly insulting.

Maybe because programmes in Asia are never made or paid by Libera but EMI or any other organisator on the venue.
on UK's concert it's libera who do the job, with less less money, so we have only one sheet of paper

plumpuff6 · Post by **plumpuff6** » 15 years ago

fan_de_LoK wrote:
dani wrote:Why have Libera managerment never done progammes for this country ?

Everbody who goes to a concerts has a chance to buy a progamme as its a momento(sp) of the concert and most people are happy to spend cash on one. Why not give fans that option over here ? as its so cheap that tacky piece of A4 paper and frankly insulting.
Maybe because programmes in Asia are never made or paid by Libera but EMI or any other organisator on the venue.
on UK's concert it's libera who do the job, with less less money, so we have only one sheet of paper

That is a good point. And any program is better than nothing. I'm happy Libera's music is spreading around the world.

dani · Post by **dani** » 15 years ago

plumpuff6 wrote:
fan_de_LoK wrote:
dani wrote:Why have Libera managerment never done progammes for this country ?

Everbody who goes to a concerts has a chance to buy a progamme as its a momento(sp) of the concert and most people are happy to spend cash on one. Why not give fans that option over here ? as its so cheap that tacky piece of A4 paper and frankly insulting.
Maybe because programmes in Asia are never made or paid by Libera but EMI or any other organisator on the venue.
on UK's concert it's libera who do the job, with less less money, so we have only one sheet of paper
That is a good point. And any program is better than nothing. I'm happy Libera's music is spreading around the world.

That is not a progamme what we get. Its a joke.

And if they spent some money and as i said charged people they would make the money back. They are just so lazy with the English market and seem to make very little effort.

fan_de_LoK · Post by **fan_de_LoK** » 15 years ago

dani wrote:if they spent some money and as i said charged people they would make the money back. They are just so lazy with the English market and seem to make very little effort.

I can understand your frustration feeling Dani, but it's not so simple

Usually the "one-paper-sheet" programme concert is not charged.
It was not in Arundel 2009, it was not in Edinburgh.

It was charged in Belfast, yes, but I'm quite sure this was part of a deal with St Peter's Cathedralt to help support the local choir.
On Belfast the sellers of the programs and blanck posters and signed posters were the elder boys of the local choir. And I'm quite sure the few remaining signed posters sold on ebay a few weks ago were sold by the same teenagers

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If my few pounds spent there have been helpfull to this choir, that's good to me

Yes, in Arundel we will probabely just have a one-paper-sheet program, for free, but what else can we reasonably expect ?

There will be there about 400 peoples.
How many of them do you think are ready to spend Â£10 more than the venue ticket, to buy a thicker programme with photos printed ?
Yes, all we here great fans would surelly buy it, but how much numerous to you think we will be there ? 50 ? 100 ? ...
I think less than that

On the three in-church concert I went last year, the wide majority of the public were eldery local people. Not sure the majority of them would spend Â£10 pour a program concert as we us will do.

How many money and time do you think would cost to Libera to created and made printed a thick full-colored photo-printed concert program, just for one concert ? for sure at least several hundred pounds.
Are they sure to sold enought of them to have a positive result at the end of the concert ? I'm not sure at all...

In UK a Libera concert is in front of 300-400 persons. In asia it's 10 times this.
If we can't have a luxury concert program in UK it's not because Libera is lazy with the English market nor because they seem to make very little effort, it's just because the means are not the same as in asia, as are the programs printed

dani · Post by **dani** » 15 years ago

fan_de_LoK wrote:
dani wrote:if they spent some money and as i said charged people they would make the money back. They are just so lazy with the English market and seem to make very little effort.
It's not so simple Dani
Usually the "one-paper-sheet" programme concert is not charged.
It was not in Arundel 2009, it was not in Edinburgh.

It was charged in Belfast, yes, but I'm quite sure this was part of a deal with St Peter's Cathedralt to help support the local choir.
On Belfast the sellers of the programs and blanck posters and signed posters were the elder boys of the local choir. And I'm quite sure the few remaining signed posters sold on ebay a few weks ago were sold by the same teenagers
[youtube][/youtube]
If my few pounds spent there have been helpfull to this choir, that's good to me

Yes, in Arundel we will probabely just have a one-paper-sheet program, for free, but what else can we reasonably expect ?

There will be there about 400 peoples.
How many of them do you think are ready to spend Â£10 more than the venue ticket, to buy a thicker programme with photos printed ?
Yes, all we here great fans would surelly buy it, but how much numerous to you think we will be there ? 50 ? 100 ? ...
I think less than that
On the three in-church concert I went last year, the wide majority of the public were eldery local people. Not sure the majority of them would spend Â£10 pour a program concert as we us will do.

How many money and time do you think would cost to Libera to created and made printed a thick full-colored photo-printed concert program, just for one concert ? for sure at least several hundred pounds.
Are they sure to sold enought of them to have a positive result at the end of the concert ? I'm not sure at all...

In UK a Libera concert is in front of 300-400 persons. In asia it's 10 times this.
If we can't have a luxury concert program in UK it's not because Libera is lazy with the English market nor because they seem to make very little effort, it's just because the means are not the same as in asia, as are the programs printed

If the money was to support the group people would pay. Most fans last year at Arundel wanted proper progammes fact.

And if they cant do that then make an effort instead of some stupid piece of A4 paper that is the same at each english concert.

TEB · Post by **TEB** » 15 years ago

A memento program does not have to cost alot either. TSO produces an very nice glossy program sold at every concert for $15.00 US. They are 11.5 inches by 12 inches. All color photos throughout. 35 pages. Most of the pictures are concert pics and there is a 2 page middle spread with individual pics for autographs.
Mind you though, TSO has a tremendous amount of income to help defray the cost of this program.
Libera's would not need to be quite as fancy or in such a large format so the cost could be kept down.
Something the management needs to practice. $100 US a ticket concerts will soon cut back on attendee's.

carina_gino20 · Post by **carina_gino20** » 15 years ago

I can't speak for the UK, but the programmes in the Philippines must have cost a lot and were most probably produced through funds from sponsors. The VIP programmes were printed on thick glossy paper and almost half of it was filled with advertisements. The programmes for the other seats were actually not so big. Not even A4 but still glossy.

JoelinMkt · Post by **JoelinMkt** » 15 years ago

Having programs is a question of cost versus benefit.

When the concert is at home the costs are minimal and largely out-of-pocket for LIBERA. Printing of programs will increase that cost.

Unlike concerts at home, LIBERA tours in Asia are major operations. The logistics of moving the boys and their suppor personnel across a continent, housing them and providing for their security is significant. Add to that the cost of venue, cost of concert infrastructure and other incidentals and the bill becomes fairly large. That is why the cost of tickets of a full LIBERA performance in Asia can peak at five times that of one in the UK. In order to keep the ticket prices within reason, the organizers turn to sponsors. The programs give the organizers a chance to acknowledge the sponsors - who technically paid for the programs.

Yorkie · Post by **Yorkie** » 15 years ago

Interesting thoughts on why there is no programme for the UK concerts. Dani, I think Joel and Patrick are right - it isn't laziness it is business. Joel's point about sponsors is spot on - they stump up the cash and having a glossy brochure with their advert in it is part of the reward (happens all the time at soccer matches in the UK).

Arundel is done by Libera off their own back (do they even have any paid employees who would organise the production of a programme?) - presumably in the spare time of the adults associated with the group. No EMI involvement. The hassle of producing a programme is just not what anybody needs. In essence Libera is a small charity run in peoples spare time. They are not an international rock band with mega bucks to throw around. Personally I like the quirky, homely feel to the whole thing. I suspect that if they did become a professional money making project the wheels would fall off pretty sharpish

So, to sum up, it ain't gonna happen (like a meet and greet) and we might as well accept it and just enjoy the concert - I'll buy you a beer in the pub afterwards to cheer you up (and it's not often a Yorkshire man agrees to go buying the beers

).

See ya there

phlibera · Post by **phlibera** » 15 years ago

So I was checking the weather forecasts because I have nothing better to do on a very hot Saturday Philippine summer afternoon and I realized that it seems Libera is currently in the middle of a tour of the seasons or what I'd like to call Three-Season Tour.

Based solely on Sunday's forecast:

Spring - Japan - 12 to 21 degrees Celsius (54 to 70 degrees Fahrenheit)

Winter - South Korea - 2 to 19 degrees Celsius (36 to 66 degrees Fahrenheit)

Summer - Philippines - 24 to 34 degrees Celsius (75 to 93 degrees Fahrenheit)

Home - London - 3 to 13 degrees Celsius (37 to 55 degrees Fahrenheit)

Of course, maybe it is already Spring in South Korea, but I like to call it Winter just for the sake of my Three-Season Tour argument.

Did I mention I have nothing better to do this afternoon?

Anyway, the important thing to note here is that the highest temperatures in Japan and Korea are lower than the lowest temperature of the Philippines' Summer. I hope Libera were able to pack some summer clothing or, considering they'll stay in the Philippines for about 6 days, a lot of summer clothing.

phlibera · Post by **phlibera** » 15 years ago

By the way, thank you (again) fan_de_LoK (for a more human readable English translation) and Bernard for the review of the Japan concert. So far, it has been the only report I've read about that concert. EMI Japan posted a report, but it's even shorter than Bernard's report. Merci beaucoup.

JimmyRiddle · Post by **JimmyRiddle** » 15 years ago

Such a shortage of information on the actual concert at present;

I want to know who solo'd 'Agnus Dei'
I want to know what 'Exsultate' was like both in terms of sound and choreography
I want to know did 'How shall I sing that majesty' have the same get up off your seats and give them a standing ovation that 'I am the day' did?
Did somebody match the wizardry of Ed Day for 'Mysterium'?

We've not go this from Japan, will we get it from Korea? What songs are they going to cover in the Philippines.

mmmm... think we'll have to wait until Arundel for the definative write-up.

phlibera · Post by **phlibera** » 15 years ago

For the report on the concerts, that maybe the case. We have to wait after Arundel for detailed reporting.

For the Philippines, I believe we will get detailed reports hours after the concerts. Unfortunately it would only be a promo tour for Peace. I could already picture them singing in their "casual" attire--- the blue dress shirt + black pants attire.

And it's a so informal concert that in one song Ben invites the crowd to sing along to Exsultate and the crowd obliges and amazingly sing with the correct lyrics because the words are flashed on the screen behind Libera.

fan_de_LoK · Post by **fan_de_LoK** » 15 years ago

Thank you Phlibera

Bernard have written us this morning that his computer had a problem (BSOD), and now he's flying back. So he can't add new comments actually but he will when turned at home. He also said he have some corrections to make on his first review