Libera Dreams

dani wrote:

paul30003 wrote:
So what you are basicly saying, if you have money you a decent person, if not your a chav.

I can assure you although like most London boroughs, Norbury is ethnically mixed and they care for there community, money does not make a decent person.

No i said the restaurants was chavvy. Anywhere that serves " Chicken" i use that term loosly for 3 legs/wings for £1.99 or Pizza for £2 and so on is not a place you want to be seen. And yet Norbury is over ran with places like this. Then throw in the cheap off licences and so on and thats the main road of Norbury. Fans that have come from abroad have all said they did not feel safe when they visited St P's. I wonder why that is?


Paul at no time have i called you Chavvy. I just wont accept the fact its a high class area as its simply not. Its a ran down area.

So where does class come in to it??

There closing the Library because of Class??

There generaly lower class people (Human beings) so they dont deserve an education or access to books.

Rubish. I think its a crime to pigeonhole people into classes as you and the goverment are doing.

paul30003 wrote: So where does class come in to it??

There closing the Library because of Class??

There generaly lower class people (Human beings) so they dont deserve an education or access to books.

Rubish. I think its a crime to pigeonhole people into classes as you and the goverment are doing.

Its just not Norbury but there has been a Decline of library usage in recent years.

Yorkie wrote:

dani wrote:

JimmyRiddle wrote:Well you know what the tories would say about the funding cuts Yorkie and it's the point Cameron makes in every question put to him at PM Questions.

It's because of the appaling debt ridden legacy left to us by the last Labour government they are now having to make these drastic deficit cuts.

Quoted for Truth

Well yes and no. It's also because the bankers gambled recklessly with money they didn't have to make themselves huge bonuses that most of us could work a lifetime and never earn. And when it goes wrong we have to pump in 100's of billions to bail them out.

Very close to one of the reasons. (I just happen to now that system a bit ...). The other reason is someone let them to do so (I mean 'government' again ...). And third- the culture of borrowing ... People needed the money so badly that they just took out too much in loans. Actually it's quite hard to take a 'normal' and 'affordable' loan. Too many people take the maximum and too many are speculative. It has a simple name- greed... too much of it (you may say- necessity; but I hardly can see that borrowing can solve social issues)
The problem is that the taxpayers pay for the error in so many countries. But who controls/spends their money? Whoops, it's 'government' again ...

Have any of you read about 'the great depression'? IMHO- nothing new in this world- just a slight change in performance.

P.s. Sorry for off-topic. I will try to stop here.

Not blaming you for it (note to self, Murkskis is an evil banker ).

Yorkie wrote:Not blaming you for it (note to self, Murkskis is an evil banker ).

So am i. Well i work for a bank.

dani wrote:

Yorkie wrote:Not blaming you for it (note to self, Murkskis is an evil banker ).

So am i. Well i work for a bank.

Note to self - there are a lot of bankers on this forum

Yorkie wrote:

dani wrote:

Yorkie wrote:Not blaming you for it (note to self, Murkskis is an evil banker ).

So am i. Well i work for a bank.

Note to self - there are a lot of bankers on this forum

Yes so watch what you say

Yorkie wrote:Not blaming you for it (note to self, Murkskis is an evil banker ).

Anyway- I was also kinda fooled by this system and struggling with my own debts .

However I have used libraries a lot- including the local ones.
I think the local libraries help to raise the overall level of knowledge and education, can be used as socialising point(chatting and spamming ) as well. I agree that computers and IT things can replace this partially, but not to the desirable extent.

dani wrote: So am i. Well i work for a bank.

How are you doing in Bahamas ?

Yikes! I feel like I'm reading about US politics!

Sorry they want to close the library, Paul. That's really a shame. I'll bet there are a lot of other things they could cut back on than the library. I'm getting a Kindle, but there still is nothing quite like turning the pages of a real book. Plus, not everyone can buy a Kindle, but everyone can go to the library and check out a book. Reading is like music. It opens your mind to a whole new world.

Do the local schools have libraries in them for the kids?

Lauren

paul30003 wrote:20 Views but only 2 signatures.



Disappointed.

Please don't be disappointed, Paul. I'm not sure that your government wants me as a US citizen telling them how to spend your tax dollars. Seems like something that UK citizens could sign since they have the democratic right to tell their elected representatives what to do.

I do support you and your efforts though. Glad you're trying to help.

Lauren

Yes, it probably won't help your petitiion if the majority of signatures are those of foreigners.

Does or did the UK have the equivalent of Fannie Mae or Freddie Mac? Does or did it have the equivalent of TARPs?

Another factor to throw in there is the virtually unregulated and unlimited lending through credit cards. There's been generally little regulation of interest rates or the conditions under which companies can change those rates. OTOH it has been so easy for borrowers to obtain multiple credit cards and run up their personal debt without any financial agency being in position to restrain them.

Lexi wrote:Yikes! I feel like I'm reading about US politics!

Sorry they want to close the library, Paul. That's really a shame. I'll bet there are a lot of other things they could cut back on than the library. I'm getting a Kindle, but there still is nothing quite like turning the pages of a real book. Plus, not everyone can buy a Kindle, but everyone can go to the library and check out a book. Reading is like music. It opens your mind to a whole new world.

Do the local schools have libraries in them for the kids?

Lauren

I'd also like to say I'm sorry too, Paul. I tutor reading to a 4th grade student here in Sacramento, and I've tutored reading in the past for a number of years, so books and literacy are near and dear to my heart.

I won't be getting in to this whole debate about politics, other than to say it is the same here in California and all over the U.S. and sadly it is vital services like libraries that feel the pinch.

I'll sign the petition, though Paul, and I hope they can find some way to save the library.

And my two cents, let's not discuss politics anymore in the forums. It seems no good can come from it.

Edit: Just so you know, Paul, I don't consider your original post to be political. It was a simple call for help. Later in the thread it seems things have gotten a little heated. I would be glad to help save the library in any way I could.

I'm here in the states, not sure how to help other than wish all of you the best in your efforts to keep the library open.

I guess I brought on the political debate by asking what the reasons for closure were... Didn't mean to stir up a heated debate, although it can do no harm to discuss politics. Best of luck with the petition, I think you show a real support for the people in Norbury, Paul, by posting it here - we on this forum are fond of Libera and all have in our hearts some warmth for the church community of St. Philip's, and for some this warmth extends to the community as a whole. I think this is a beautiful and worthwhile extension of the common ground we all share here.

BrightEyes wrote: Edit: Just so you know, Paul, I don't consider your original post to be political. It was a simple call for help. Later in the thread it seems things have gotten a little heated. I would be glad to help save the library in any way I could.

But of course it's politics Spending cuts to public services is political. Choosing which services to cut is political. Fighting the cuts with a petition is political

And there wasn't a political argument in the thread - nobody voiced an opinion that the Government is right in this or that the closure of the library is a good thing (everybody agrees with Yorkie which is how it should be ).

Paul, I hope the library gets saved. good luck with the fight.