Review

[katyafan]

iTunes US doesn't have the album up yet, and I don't think Americans can buy off the UK iTunes.

i hope Bayan Ko would be separate.

[Yorkie]

I saw your comment, Yorkie.

The piece really does come off more like "hey, look at me. Look how many long, fancy-schmancy words I can throw in there."

And is Mother's Day different in the UK? Because I don't think that happens until the 2nd week of May.

Well, I didn't give it too much thought - it was typed off the cuff. I'm not really sure that a written article can accurately be described as flaccid verbal diarrhoea on reflection......

Mothers Day in the UK- it actually isn't originally the same as Mother's Day in the US, at least not really. We have adopted the American name now (and the Hallmark cards) but originally it was Mothering Sunday which was a Christian festival during lent (which is why it happens at a different time over here and always before Easter).

Mothering Sunday was a festival to celebrate the Virgin Mary and the 'mother' church. Traditionally servants were given the Sunday off to visit family and people would normally return to their home church to celebrate the day.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mothering_Sunday


Father's Day over here is just a direct steal from the US to balance up Mother's Day - I think it is the same day as well as there was nothing like it before

[Yorkie]

lol, i feel weird going back to topic!

but i thought Bayan Ko was a bonus on this album. it even was listed in the pdf of the cd booklet. but it is nowhere on my cd. did they just take it out??

I got it as a bonus track when i dowlnoaded it off Itunes, maybe its a bonus track for online buying.

Yep, that fooled me too - looks like it is just for downloads

[phlibera]

Is there a way to purchase Bayan Ko seperately or do you have to buy the Itune album? I'm asking in case my CD doesn't have Bayan Ko on it.

Amazon UK has it listed for New Dawn and I think can be bought separately for £0.89:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Bayan-Ko/dp/B00 ... 543&sr=1-1

[TEB]

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Well, I didn't give it too much thought - it was typed off the cuff. I'm not really sure that a written article can accurately be described as flaccid verbal diarrhoea on reflection......

Oh good Heavens!!!

What's that rumbling noise from over there?? Look out!!! It's the Grammer Police!

hehehe

[jesuspeace34]

Is there a way to purchase Bayan Ko seperately or do you have to buy the Itune album? I'm asking in case my CD doesn't have Bayan Ko on it.

Amazon UK has it listed for New Dawn and I think can be bought separately for £0.89:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Bayan-Ko/dp/B00 ... 543&sr=1-1

Thanks for the link. I tried it, but they said because of geographical restrictions, I can't purchase it. So all I can hope for is that it will be on the American version of Peace.

[Yorkie]

Is there a way to purchase Bayan Ko seperately or do you have to buy the Itune album? I'm asking in case my CD doesn't have Bayan Ko on it.

Amazon UK has it listed for New Dawn and I think can be bought separately for £0.89:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Bayan-Ko/dp/B00 ... 543&sr=1-1

Thanks for the link. I tried it, but they said because of geographical restrictions, I can't purchase it. So all I can hope for is that it will be on the American version of Peace.

look for a free UK based proxy server and go through that - it will fool them in to thinking you are based in the UK (you will need to join UK amazon first so you have an account of course) - hopefully that will work.

[Yorkie]

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Well, I didn't give it too much thought - it was typed off the cuff. I'm not really sure that a written article can accurately be described as flaccid verbal diarrhoea on reflection......

Oh good Heavens!!!

What's that rumbling noise from over there?? Look out!!! It's the Grammer Police!

hehehe

Not sure if that is grammar or just stupidity Tom, but it was early and I was a bit hungover. I'm sure he got the point though.

[Yorkie]

By the way, the reviewer has posted a follow up comment on the thread. And some 'knob' is desperate to slag the boys off at any opportunity. I mean, how sad do you have to be to wander around the internet and slag off kids singing? How empty does your life have to be and how full of hatred is your heart? There is loads of music I dislike so you know what? I don't listen to it and I don't comment on it

[libera36]

I don't listen to it and I don't comment on it

What a novel idea! Now if only the rest of the world could figure out this simple, simple tactic...

[dani]

Wow posted by a "Mac"

"The monastic clothing is unnecessary, and serves only to create an impression of innocence. I dwell on it is to highlight how irrelevant it actually is - more focus needs to be put on their music. Far from offering 'marketing lessons' as someone suggested I was doing, I was merely suggesting that a focus on the music would be a means to greater artistic achievement. The photography is designed to create an impression of camraderie - people love to see it. It disturbs me that they wear the same hoodies and Cons because it's so forced and unnatural."

You are completely correct about this. Prizeman does sell the "innocents" of the boys more than the actual music itself. On many occations Prizeman has consistantly chosen the "eye candy" boy over one far more qualifed to sing the part or solo. The people who he is really trying to capture with his product are those that listen with their eyes instead of their ears. The most recent evidence of this is when a boy "Tom" aged out of the group some time ago, and still many of the post made to the choirs personal sites and youtube videos are a bunch of obsessive tripe lamenting where he is, why is he gone, and how are they going to live without him. This is occuring because unlike the previous boys who got the same attention, Prizeman doesnt have a new "pretty boy" lined up yet to thrill and entice his "audience" with. Many boys with far superior skills and abilitis (one in particular had a far superiour ability and training that Prizeman couldn't produce in a hundred years, yet was ignored till the very end of his treble period, and then given one solo as a parting gift) have been denied or given backup rolls only because of their "not so easy on the eyes" appearance. This wouldnt happen if the actual focus was the music, as you so correctly pointed out. Libera claims that child protection is priority 1, but reality tells a different story. Prizeman knows who is audience really is, and he uses what he must to ensure his paycheck.

'Obviously Mr Ross doesn't listen to boy choirs'.

What they are really saying is that you dont obsess (or another word) over boys(take the compliment!). Probably a vast majority of these people have never heard any of the multitude of Cathedral/Parish Choirs (which have been around for hundreds of years longer)that litter the UK, and if they had, it was probably a brief once over at best. Why is this? As mentioned above, they are marketed as choirs, not a really "marketable" boy with extremely limited professional training and above average natural, yet untrained ability, being backed up by the less "marketable" who may posses far superiour skills or abilities. Occasionally you will see solo CD's come from exceptional singers in the real treble choir world. But as I just mentioned, the singers are exceptional, not their marketability or looks. I have never seen a Cathedral choir, or any other choir for that matter, put on a meat market spectacle like Prizeman does to sell their "music".

I'm not bitter about Libera, I point out that they're a great thing for young people to be involved with. My gripe is with the way they're sold to the public and the lack of innovation in the music itself (which is terribly unchallenging).

You are closer to the truth than you realize.........

Far from baiting readers as someone else suggested, I have simply presented my opinion. If it provokes debate, then that's great. If people miss the point because they're enraged by a differing opinion, then there's little I can do to change that.

Dont you know? You are not allowed to have an opinion about Libera unless it is completely obsessive, sickly sweet, gushing of adulation and completely void of truth as long as it plays in to the fantasy world of the Libera "fans", no matter how accurate, how truthful, how honest it may be.
(You can thank your own Moderators for promoting this type of behavior)

"I'm not one to usually comment on such ill-informed things, but I was in fact a chorister as a boy and studied music (choral included) at degree level."

That would be "Check and Mate"!


Good job.

[Yorkie]

Wow posted by a "Mac"

That's the knob I was on about. His first post was deleted it was that bad.

[dani]

Wow posted by a "Mac"

That's the knob I was on about. His first post was deleted it was that bad.

My bad i thought you was talking about the reviewer when you called him a knob. People are sick because these are just kids. Why put that on there, hope it gets deleted.

[carina_gino20]

It's a rather strange comment, because as far as I know, most if not all people who follow Libera don't have this much bitterness against the choir. It just doesn't seem possible that someone who sticks around long enough to know them to remain bitter about the music and attire and what have yous. Those who don't like it, I assume, are mostly indifferent and probably leave after one listening.

But this guy sounds like he's followed Libera long enough and closely enough to actually claim that one boy is favored of another, that RP markets the looks and not the talents, and other such claims. It sounds to me, therefore, like a slighted fan. Perhaps one that was previously ignored by the group? Maybe one who didn't have a very nice M&G experience? I don't know. It just sounds strangely bitter to me.

I'm not saying that nobody can say bad things about the choir. We all have our fair share of criticism for them, but I've just never encountered this weird combination before. It doesn't tally.

Or maybe he has a personal grudge against RP, because he does talk about RP alot.

[Yorkie]

It's a rather strange comment, because as far as I know, most if not all people who follow Libera don't have this much bitterness against the choir. It just doesn't seem possible that someone who sticks around long enough to know them to remain bitter about the music and attire and what have yous. Those who don't like it, I assume, are mostly indifferent and probably leave after one listening.

But this guy sounds like he's followed Libera long enough and closely enough to actually claim that one boy is favored of another, that RP markets the looks and not the talents, and other such claims. It sounds to me, therefore, like a slighted fan. Perhaps one that was previously ignored by the group? Maybe one who didn't have a very nice M&G experience? I don't know. It just sounds strangely bitter to me.

I'm not saying that nobody can say bad things about the choir. We all have our fair share of criticism for them, but I've just never encountered this weird combination before. It doesn't tally.

Or maybe he has a personal grudge against RP, because he does talk about RP alot.

Carina, I also have the rather unpleasant theory that this 'Mac' is someone with a grudge against RP or the group as well. Is it an ex-member or relative of an ex-member who left on bad terms? To seek out a negative review and revel in it take a level of dislike that leaves me spinning.