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Surpinto wrote: <span title="Fri Aug 30, 2024 11:08 pm">3 months ago</span>Is it possible that track 14 does not actually exist but is an alternate title (or alternate translation) of one of the other tracks?
Seems unlikely as there are details provided for each song and they are quite different from a song to another.

As example, the 14 'Music Was Born' is described with accurate names that don't appear on other songs.
It can't seem possible be a confusion with another song.

(ガーシュウィン:ラプソディ・イン・ブルー) 作曲:ガーシュウィン 作詞:レスリー・ブリカッス 編曲:サム・コーツ
(Gershwin: Rhapsody in Blue) Music: Gershwin Lyrics: Leslie Bricusse Arrangement: Sam Coates

Here the 10 URLs I used to check for variations in the track list :
Libera Records
Fan Club
Amazon JP
Sony Music
Tower Records
Rakuten Books
CD Japan
CD Journal
Tsutaya
Billboard JP


Surpinto wrote: <span title="Fri Aug 30, 2024 11:08 pm">3 months ago</span> The other option is that multiple versions are being put out of the album with variations in the tracklist.
I find this option highly unlikely.
I agree. Should multiple versions of the album were planned, it would have been announced.
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Re: Dream (new album 2024)

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fan_de_LoK wrote: <span title="Fri Aug 30, 2024 11:28 pm">3 months ago</span>
Surpinto wrote: <span title="Fri Aug 30, 2024 11:08 pm">3 months ago</span>Is it possible that track 14 does not actually exist but is an alternate title (or alternate translation) of one of the other tracks?
Seems unlikely as there are details provided for each song and they are quite different from a song to another.

As example, the 14 'Music Was Born' is described with accurate names that don't appear on other songs.
It can't seem possible be a confusion with another song.

(ガーシュウィン:ラプソディ・イン・ブルー) 作曲:ガーシュウィン 作詞:レスリー・ブリカッス 編曲:サム・コーツ
(Gershwin: Rhapsody in Blue) Music: Gershwin Lyrics: Leslie Bricusse Arrangement: Sam Coates
Good point, this was a wild guess on my part to try and account for the issue. My only other guess is that the song isn't meant to be on there. Maybe was there originally but then removed? Or maybe it was meant as a surprise bonus track and the fact that it should be kept secret was ignored or not communicated well to the vendors? :|

Either way, the fact that it's missing from the official list is the bigger mystery.
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Surpinto wrote: <span title="Tue Aug 27, 2024 9:37 pm">3 months ago</span>
filiarheni wrote: <span title="Tue Aug 27, 2024 7:38 pm">3 months ago</span>
Surpinto wrote: <span title="Tue Aug 27, 2024 10:31 am">3 months ago</span> I think this album will more clearly represent the vision that Sam and his colleagues have for the choir and their music going forward, so I'm very interested in what they have in store for us.
​But what do we need it for? I mean, why a certain way forward vision? This album like the ones before will be a very colourful album with the difference that more alumni contribute their compositions to "Dream". But the diversity of the music began with "Hope" already. (I will exempt "If", because Robert - I have no doubt about that - meant "If" to be his farewell album to everybody and to this world.)
​I also think that there's no need to take decisions about a certain direction, but rather go on trying themselves out with a common musical denominator though, which are their features that make their music unique, but impossible to put them into a drawer - just going on to take their choir name literally.

Or did I get you wrong?
I think you might be reading way too much into what I said . My statement about "vision" was intended in the broadest of meanings. The vision does not signify one specific musical style or song type, but concerns how this current team approaches a new album. I'm referring to their vision of what constitutes a Libera album in 2024.

What ratio of song types/styles should be displayed, how the tracks are ordered on the album, how many brand new songs versus old songs, etc. These all display a unified and general vision for the album. In fact, we can already see that their vision includes many brand new songs as opposed to recordings of old ones.
At first, I'd like to clarify (just in case) what I meant with "put in a drawer". We use this expression over here for assigning something to a fixed category that's hard to escape. It was not meant as laying something aside as uninteresting.

However, what you describe about Libera's approach to a 2024 album: Isn't it "just" a consequence from the developments during the past years until today, exactly the high number of new songs? I'm in no way intending to detract anything from the upcoming album we are all looking forward to, but I find it no less than logical what is happening right now.

When Libera still had Robert, he was taking care of the music and was more or less the only one belonging to Libera who composed music for them. Plus having to record an entire album every year means much pressure. Therefore, IMHO it's understandable to revisit existing songs to fill the albums without having to start at the very beginning: composing or writing something new on a classical piece.
Now this has become easier, because thankfully many alumni, who are probably deeply interested in having Libera continue, are joining in the composing work. (And everyone - the choir, the audience and the composing alumni themselves - benefit from that.) So Libera's access to new pieces has become easier, because the number of Libera-own contributors they can draw from has increased and the work can be shared. 

It goes without saying that the music will be very diverse for the same reason.

I love all of that - not that anyone thinks I will not! I just think that this album is a quite self-evident result of what's going on in the group.

Perhaps some of song-writing alumni will withdraw sooner or later, perhaps others will come instead or on top. One thing is certain: It will not stop being exciting! :)

Regarding the order of the album songs, I found that an interesting question some time ago too, while the Japanese versions have a different order, I believe.
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The boys in the studio recording for the new album.

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From this pic only one of the 8 newbies debuted at Ely is present; Caius Agyei.
Good to see Luca and Mitchel back.

None of the Bigs are present, and Oscar J (who was absent from the latter two summer concerts) and Morgan are also absent.

So up to SEVENTEEN boys absent here, although I know that when recording they don’t need all of the boys at once. Still, hoping Morgan and Oscar were maybe just on vacation with their families and will be returning.

Do we have ETA for the new album outside of Japan?
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I was just looking at the song list, and it will be interesting to see which songs will get an official video, as the only one that jumps out is Seabird at the moment to me.

It’s intriguing as there is still no sign of a UK release date either, which I'm surprised about.

ETA - it certainly makes the Christmas concert exciting :mrgreen:
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Mercurial909 wrote: <span title="Tue Sep 03, 2024 7:48 am">3 months ago</span> The boys in the studio recording for the new album.


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From this pic only one of the 8 newbies debuted at Ely is present; Caius Agyei.
Good to see Luca and Mitchel back.

None of the Bigs are present, and Oscar J (who was absent from the latter two summer concerts) and Morgan are also absent.

So up to SEVENTEEN boys absent here, although I know that when recording they don’t need all of the boys at once. Still, hoping Morgan and Oscar were maybe just on vacation with their families and will be returning.

Do we have ETA for the new album outside of Japan?

I would be very surprised if Morgan at least wasn't involved seeing as he's been singing the solo for Twilight in the concerts and I would expect he would be doing that on the album too. Plus he's been doing so many concert solos that he's one of their lead singers so surely he'll be involved.

From what I've seen and heard on the introductory videos for the last two albums, it seems like they often do at least some and maybe the bulk of their recording quite well in advance. I think in the introduction to Forever they mentioned having started 8 months ago and given that many of the soloists on If were back row by Christmas just a couple of months after the album was released, I would think they'd recorded quite a bit in advance of the release date.

The names on the albums also suggest at least some recording quite a way in advance. Many of the bigs who left after Ely are credited on Forever as is Daniel Catalogna and while it's possible they could have been invited back, particularly the bigs if they needed more deep voices for some of the songs, I still think it suggests they record a lot well in advance.

Finally, we've seen mini boys appear in music videos from the last two albums (Thomas M, Pietro and Samuel in Sing, Ben H and Federico in Love Shine a Light) yet they are not credited as singing on the albums. Therefore, I think perhaps Libera often have a 'finishing up session' fairly near the album release, where they film the intro and videos and redo any bits of the songs that need doing. If the solos are done then you don't need every boy there (thinking of the intro to If where several soloists are missing). And they may bring the mini boys along for the experience but not record them. No idea if this is right or not but it seems to be a possibility. In which case I would hazard a guess that this picture is from the finishing up session.

As for the Western release date, I believe autumn was mentioned in the summer concerts which would have been aimed at primarily Western audiences. So maybe November? Though of course there could have been delays with Western distributors etc.
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Cat-a-tonic wrote: <span title="Thu Sep 12, 2024 12:41 pm">2 months ago</span> No idea if this is right or not but it seems to be a possibility. In which case I would hazard a guess that this picture is from the finishing up session.
I think you're right. They do the videos (music videos and promo videos) totally separately from studio recording. In fact, the studio recording of a given song has to be finished, mixed, and mastered before the video can be done. I'm not sure how aware everyone is of this, but all music videos by any artist (pretty much without exception) have the artist singing along to the studio recording but no microphone is active during music video shooting.

So the camera is rolling, the studio recording is playing, but no sound is being recorded from the singers or even the instruments when making a music video. This is because recording live music on location can be extremely tricky and the acoustics might not be appropriate or even possible at all. This is why if you start playback of their music videos and of the same album song at the same time it'll sound the same....because it is.

The other thing that seems clear, and as you rightly stated, is that they record across multiple studio sessions. This is obviously the only way to record a lot of new music on a limited time budget with a bunch of fidgety kids :lol: .

Where I might disagree slightly is whether or not they have a “finishing up” session. They may very well do that for a particular song but I have a feeling they record a given song multiple times, with multiple takes in one session, and then only record redos of soloists if needed. Obviously, I could be wrong about that as I'm not privy to any sort of information on that score, but I feel like with them being a choir made up of children it would be better that way for the logistical and sanity-of-the-staff reasons :wink: .
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I am wondering when the album artwork will drop. I'm guessing within the next week or so and then the audio teasers will follow. It all still seems quiet considering we are 6 weeks off the album launch in the Far East.
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dani wrote: <span title="Wed Sep 18, 2024 8:45 pm">2 months ago</span> I am wondering when the album artwork will drop.
Ask, and it shall be given to you :mrgreen:

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Published tonight by Amazon Japan
 

The track list of the Japanese version has been updated as well.
Is it final ? Possibly.

01 - Seabird (Katy Hill and Chris Hill)
02 - One Small Voice (Beethoven / Sam Coates)
03 - Dream You Of (Josh Madine)
04 - The Lark's Last Song (Liszt / Josh Madine)
05 - Always There (Takatsugu Muramatsu / Robert Prizeman)
06 - Twilight (Robert Prizeman / Cecil Frances Alexander)
07 - Merry Christmas Mr. Lawrence / Once (Ryuichi Sakamoto / Sam Coates)
08 - When I am Laid in Earth (Dido's Lament) (Henry Purcell / Nahum Tate)
09 - Veni Sancte Spiritu (Raoul Neumann & Sam Coates)
10 - Resurrectio (Liam Connery)
11 - Going Home (Dvorak / William Arms Fisher)
12 - Lullay (Ben Crawley)
13 - Music was Born (Gershwin / Leslie Bricusse)
14 - Happy Xmas (War is Over) (John Lennon and Yoko Ono)
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fan_de_LoK wrote: <span title="Wed Sep 18, 2024 8:53 pm">2 months ago</span>
dani wrote: <span title="Wed Sep 18, 2024 8:45 pm">2 months ago</span> I am wondering when the album artwork will drop.
Ask, and it shall be given to you :mrgreen:

Published tonight by Amazon Japan
I appreciate the post... um... well, I'll just leave it at that.
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I don't mind the cover art. The Japanese covers have been different for quite some time so you would expect the rest of the world cover to be different but....this is a different style than we are used to on Japanese albums so it is possible they have unified on one design. I guess we'll find out soon enough.
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I like it and I'm not sure it qualifies as dark, it's mysterious but forest feels good. Even like a safe place to dream ?

Though from the songs I know I don't see a match with the cover.

Are we even sure there will be an european release ? At this point nothing has hinted on it...
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Well, the tracklist is a dream but for me the cover is a nightmare. Hoping for something much better from Mrs Kielty on the western version.
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fan_de_LoK wrote: <span title="Wed Sep 18, 2024 8:53 pm">2 months ago</span>
Image

Published tonight by Amazon Japan
 

The track list of the Japanese version has been updated as well.
Is it final ? Possibly.

01 - Seabird (Katy Hill and Chris Hill)
02 - One Small Voice (Beethoven / Sam Coates)
03 - Dream You Of (Josh Madine)
04 - The Lark's Last Song (Liszt / Josh Madine)
05 - Always There (Takatsugu Muramatsu / Robert Prizeman)
06 - Twilight (Robert Prizeman / Cecil Frances Alexander)
07 - Merry Christmas Mr. Lawrence / Once (Ryuichi Sakamoto / Sam Coates)
08 - When I am Laid in Earth (Dido's Lament) (Henry Purcell / Nahum Tate)
09 - Veni Sancte Spiritu (Raoul Neumann & Sam Coates)
10 - Resurrectio (Liam Connery)
11 - Going Home (Dvorak / William Arms Fisher)
12 - Lullay (Ben Crawley)
13 - Music was Born (Gershwin / Leslie Bricusse)
14 - Happy Xmas (War is Over) (John Lennon and Yoko Ono)
 
 
An image search shows that the background image used for the cover is already published on hundreds of pages.
The original photo seems to be this one, from Sebastian Unrau, on unsplash.com.
it has more than 100 millions views.
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