Libera Dreams

carina_gino20 wrote:

TEB wrote:

irishoreo wrote:[

Tom wasn't that Stefan and not Mini James singing the "salvas"?

No, I am pretty sure it was Mini James. Can someone who was at the CC service please say for sure?

Hi TEB, I'm sorry if you cannot see them because of the slow connection, but in YouTube, there are many videos on the Salva Me performance during the morning service and they show Stefan singing Salva Me with his piercing voice.

Ok, thanks for clearing that up. I appreciate it.

JimmyRiddle wrote:I was really hoping this 'Mac' character would have found his way into a mental instistution by now, driven there by his own insanity and the dark demons festering away inside his very troubled mind.

He's posted on Youtube, and he's even more vile and vulgar with his comments when allowed the freedom of anonymity that Youtube provides.

dani wrote:How odd that they could be on this forum. Hope they realise we dont like them and think they are sick.

Well he'd only be able to read on this forum, because as soon as he posted and adopted the same tactics he's been using for the past few years on the net. Well his account would be terminated pretty quickly I would have thought

I noticed last night that there is somebody that logs on but keeps their profile hidden (so you can't see who it is browsing the board). Having said that it might have been pure coincidence that my very first post was complained about after I posted on here that I shopped his for insinuating that RP was involved in child abuse.

Jimmy, does he post as Mac on YouTube?

carina_gino20 wrote:

Yorkie wrote: Still, fairs fair. It was me that grassed his post up for implying that RP was abusing the boys by saying that all of us fans who objected to a negative review were condoning abuse of choirboys by catholic priests, etc. It really was getting on to towards that and I'm not joking.

Yorkie, mind if you explain this again? I'm having a bit of trouble understanding it, sorry. I'm just curious. What did he say? And what did you respond with?

It's weird that they took down your previous comment and Phil's. Because I read it and it seemed pretty fair to me.

Hi Carina,

The reviewer posted a reply to the first of the responses. Myself & Phil (who I think is the same Phil that posts on the AV Yahoo forum) made the replies that I posted above and another guy chipped in to lambaste the reviewer stating that he was also a professional reviewer (posting under a false name) of many years experience and he thought it was a poorly written review that would upset the boys & their families and that the reviewer should withdraw the article.

Our friend Mac picked up on Phil's direct attack on him and my veiled attack and posted one of his long (and frankly very poorly written - I don't think he is that bright) pieces which was written in a way that alluded to the boys being abused. He didn't say so directly but his insinuation was that by fans blindly sticking up for 'Libera' we were condoning sexual abuse of boys.

I referred it to the mods as a possibly libellous post - when that happens the post is temporarily removed and referred to a mod to be vetted. Seems laughing boy wasn't amused and started reporting everybody else's posts.

I think he may be reading here though because as well as my recent post (which didn't name or quote him) my first post went where as only the post made made by phil that named Mac was reported, his earlier post (far more critical than mine) is still up - hence my belief that Mac read my posts and targeted me specifically.

If you think about it it makes perfect sense. He is obsessed with the group. He has up to date info on them. He surfs the web looking for any chance to 'comment' on them. Of course he would join up Libera forums in order to keep track of what's what.

I love it , It's like something out of an Agatha Christie novel

TEB wrote: Boy, all I did was go away for the weekend and look at all the drama.
Trust me everyone, if I find out who this person is on this board, they will disappear rather quickly. If there is anyone who is a pedophile(American spelling), it sounds as if this Mac person is. He seems to have alot of information about a group he doesn't like. And, as far as us fans only listening to the music with our eyes, well, the first song I heard of Libera's was Dies Irae and it was weeks until I ever saw a picture of the boys who sang it. I will admit to having alot of pics of the boys but I also have alot of pics of the guys in TSO. People tend to collect pics of those who they admire.

Yorkie, my British slang is somewhat lacking. What does "slag off" mean? I do have an idea and if it is what I think it is, perhaps you should tell me in a pm.

Hi Tom.

Carina and I think he actually has some link to the group - possibly an ex-member (or a relative of an ex-member) that left on bad terms. I don't think he is somebody that has an unhealthy interest in children but he is obviously very upset about something, obsessive and not very bright. I would think relatively young as well as he seems quite rash and lacking in self control.

Slag off = put down, bad mouth not that bad I have to PM you I hope!

Yorkie wrote: Hi Carina,

The reviewer posted a reply to the first of the responses. Myself & Phil (who I think is the same Phil that posts on the AV Yahoo forum) made the replies that I posted above and another guy chipped in to lambaste the reviewer stating that he was also a professional reviewer (posting under a false name) of many years experience and he thought it was a poorly written review that would upset the boys & their families and that the reviewer should withdraw the article.

Our friend Mac picked up on Phil's direct attack on him and my veiled attack and posted one of his long (and frankly very poorly written - I don't think he is that bright) pieces which was written in a way that alluded to the boys being abused. He didn't say so directly but his insinuation was that by fans blindly sticking up for 'Libera' we were condoning sexual abuse of boys.

I referred it to the mods as a possibly libellous post - when that happens the post is temporarily removed and referred to a mod to be vetted. Seems laughing boy wasn't amused and started reporting everybody else's posts.

I think he may be reading here though because as well as my recent post (which didn't name or quote him) my first post went where as only the post made made by phil that named Mac was reported, his earlier post (far more critical than mine) is still up - hence my belief that Mac read my posts and targeted me specifically.

If you think about it it makes perfect sense. He is obsessed with the group. He has up to date info on them. He surfs the web looking for any chance to 'comment' on them. Of course he would join up Libera forums in order to keep track of what's what.

I love it , It's like something out of an Agatha Christie novel

Thanks for the reply, Yorkie. I love a mystery!

Other than some family member of a current or ex Libera member, it could be some obsessive fan who might have felt slighted before and is thus badmouthing the group. Whoever it is, he is really very bitter.

And Mac, if you are indeed reading our posts, my apologies to you. We normally don't malign other people's characters here but your comments were in bad taste and thus, we all feel the need to defend Libera and in doing so, we can only speculate from the comments you have written. I hope that whatever bitterness you have against the group will fade away so that you can enjoy their sublime music once again.

carina_gino20 wrote:And Mac, if you are indeed reading our posts, my apologies to you. We normally don't malign other people's characters here but your comments were in bad taste and thus, we all feel the need to defend Libera and in doing so, we can only speculate from the comments you have written. I hope that whatever bitterness you have against the group will fade away so that you can enjoy their sublime music once again.

I've been trying to stay away from this topic, because I do quietly take issue with some of Libera's marketing procedures, but I just have to drop by to say that this is such a classy comment, Carina! Thank you for it.

Flora wrote:

carina_gino20 wrote:And Mac, if you are indeed reading our posts, my apologies to you. We normally don't malign other people's characters here but your comments were in bad taste and thus, we all feel the need to defend Libera and in doing so, we can only speculate from the comments you have written. I hope that whatever bitterness you have against the group will fade away so that you can enjoy their sublime music once again.

I've been trying to stay away from this topic, because I do quietly take issue with some of Libera's marketing procedures, but I just have to drop by to say that this is such a classy comment, Carina! Thank you for it.

Yes, Carina's comment was very nice By the way, don't be afraid to speak out about what you dislike about the marketing- I think it is actually a good idea for a topic. My issue with the review was that it didn't actually review - if he said he hated the album and explained why I wouldn't have a problem

Yorkie wrote:Yes, Carina's comment was very nice By the way, don't be afraid to speak out about what you dislike about the marketing- I think it is actually a good idea for a topic. My issue with the review was that it didn't actually review - if he said he hated the album and explained why I wouldn't have a problem

Aw, thanks, Yorkie! I definitely see where you were coming from, and also disagree with the way Mac worded his comments. I'm a little shy about discussing the business side of Libera, because thinking about this group in terms of commercialism gets me heartily depressed--but if there were way to have a neutral, lighthearted discussion, I'd be game! I'd just better not be the one to start it, haha.

dearmadine wrote: I just have to say.. wow. Libera's music has purified my heart so much that I actually forgot that there are sad and ugly individuals out there. I just hope the boys don't get to read that garbage.

Well said, dearmadine! I hope the boys don't see it as well, and I hope that they keep on making their music!

Thanks Flora and Yorkie. I guess I was just a little concerned because you never how hurtful our discussion can be for him. I know we all are speculating but there's really not much else we can do. I guess I just want Mac to hopefully understand where we're coming from as regards to our feedback to David's and his comments.

"With better direction and handling (doing away with the robes would be the first thing to do), they would stand a chance of making an album of worthwhile artistry"

I don't want to add much more than what has already been well said here by other members but I think this quote sums up the quality of this asinine review by Mr. Ross. So with just a "better" director and a change in clothes, Libera will produce an album of worthwhile artistry?? Oh, I'm sorry a "chance" to do it. As if they haven't produced one yet? Perhaps he should listen to some of their other albums again (Luminosa, Free, etc.) and then form a more educated opinion. Yorkie is right, I would have been fine too with a review that, maybe, didn't care for the album but gave valid musical and educated opinions about it. As to this "mac", it just makes me sad that people can think like this and I hope, as dearmadine (HI from Todd by the way ) says, that the Libera boys don't read that stuff.

May Libera's music continue to help heal the world.

I just find it amazing that some of his comments remain while other people's comments have been removed. It's also a shame that if you put 'libera peace' into google, lots of links back to this pitiful review appear high up on the listings.

JimmyRiddle wrote: It's also a shame that if you put 'libera peace' into google, lots of links back to this pitiful review appear high up on the listings.

That is quite unfortunate! Hopefully people will not be influenced by the review, but will listen to the album and give it a chance.

Anyone know of any other reviews of "Peace" that are out there yet? Also, how is the album doing on the UK classical charts? I noticed here that on Billboard's classical charts "Eternal" is number 12 and has been in the top 15 the last two weeks or so! This bodes well for the US sales of "Peace" .

A little more activity on the 'Daniel Ross' BBC review of Peace http://www.bbc.co.uk/music/reviews/rzwx regarding the comments. I don't know who "Westerner16" is but he/she get's a standing ovation from me.