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So...something new to "chew" on (ha...ha... :P ):

How is history taught in British primary and secondary schools (and university)?

In the US, many teachers and professors complain that two mere semesters (a full academic year) is insufficient to teach all 233 years of American history...since the "history" of the British Isles begins around 55 BC, I've always wondered how much history is force-fed to students in the UK 8)
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kjackson83 wrote:Well to be honest, I don't watch the videos often or pore over the pictures much--the condition of one's teeth has no appreciable impact on musicality and not being a teenage girl, I don't study such things in great detail ;)
Humph. We aren't all like that!! I mean, there are a fair few that are (hence the Jonas Brothers and all other things Disney...) But some of us are actually, you know... Dare I say more mature? :wink: All the Libera boys are adorable in the "little boy way", though it doesn't take much looking to see that they are all going to be handsome young men! (or would they be strapping young lads, over there...) :lol:
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kjackson83 wrote:Well to be honest, I don't watch the videos often or pore over the pictures much--the condition of one's teeth has no appreciable impact on musicality and not being a teenage girl, I don't study such things in great detail ;)
Humph. We aren't all like that!! I mean, there are a fair few that are (hence the Jonas Brothers and all other things Disney...) But some of us are actually, you know... Dare I say more mature?
:D :lol: :lol: :oops: indeed--I must offer apologies once again! The Realm of YouTube seems to be practically overrun in teenage girls (one hopes) with monstrous, devout "crushes" on this or that from the group, though--always an exception to the trend, however :D
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Haha, its fine, I was kidding. Actually, the teen girl stereo type drives me crazy. The fan girl one too... I can't even scream the "crazy teen fan girl scream" when I try :lol: I wasn't really trying though, (hahaha... not me) I was just seeing if I could do a fangirl impersonation. I did all right... My brother won, though. Not sure what that says about me...
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kjackson83 wrote:Well to be honest, I don't watch the videos often or pore over the pictures much--the condition of one's teeth has no appreciable impact on musicality and not being a teenage girl, I don't study such things in great detail ;)
Humph. We aren't all like that!! I mean, there are a fair few that are (hence the Jonas Brothers and all other things Disney...) But some of us are actually, you know... Dare I say more mature? :wink: All the Libera boys are adorable in the "little boy way", though it doesn't take much looking to see that they are all going to be handsome young men! (or would they be strapping young lads, over there...) :lol:
:shock: Being a bloke I couldn't possibly comment on their strappingness :shock:
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kjackson83 wrote::D :lol: :lol: :oops: indeed--I must offer apologies once again! The Realm of YouTube seems to be practically overrun in teenage girls (one hopes) with monstrous, devout "crushes" on this or that from the group, though--always an exception to the trend, however :D



LOL - one hopes indeed! :shock:
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kjackson83 wrote:So...something new to "chew" on (ha...ha... :P ):

How is history taught in British primary and secondary schools (and university)?

In the US, many teachers and professors complain that two mere semesters (a full academic year) is insufficient to teach all 233 years of American history...since the "history" of the British Isles begins around 55 BC, I've always wondered how much history is force-fed to students in the UK 8)
Hmmh, not sure I can really tell you because it's so long ago since I was at school (before they'd invented the steam powered bicycle as I recall). Back then it was a compulsory subject you took for a year (aged 14) before you elected what courses you wanted to study for final examinations (aged 16). I remember studying some history in junior school but it wasn't a specific lesson.

In those days my local school system was split into three - Junior (aged 5 - 9), Middle (aged 10 -13) and Upper (14 - 16), however it has now changed to the more common two tier system - 5 - 10 & 11 - 16 which prevails over most of the country.

The content of the course was pretty much determined by what examine board would be setting the final exam - basically they would supply the school with an outline of material that would form the exam & the teacher structured the lessons accordingly. There used to be many different exam boards. I dropped it at 14 but remember studying the Industrial Revolution, some Roman period stuff, Norman conquest & the Holocaust. It was mostly British History/British orientated. I wouldn't be surprised if these days our leftie teachers were teaching kids about how awful British History was and what a terrible race we are! That's progress for you :wink:

We now have a 'national curriculum' which is supposed to standardise everything (but this does not extend to many public schools (which are private schools in US parlance- I know, I know!) who basically set their own curriculum's).

Under the NC History is a compulsory subject from ages 5 - 14 and then it becomes a subject the student can elect to take an exam in and study for two more years.

To be continued.......
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Right, that was getting a bit long so I thought I'd split it.

Your question got me thinking - what do they study? So I did some digging. The document I found was a little old but I don't think it will have changed too much.

Age 5 -11

Local history - how the area has changed over time or by a significant national event (I remember going out in a group and looking at the old buildings in our high street dating from the early 1600's)

British history - Romans, Anglo-Saxons & Vikings; Britain and wider world in Tudor times; and either Victorian Britain or Britain since 1930. Also aspects of histories of England, Ireland, Scotland & Wales and about the history of Britain in it's European and wider world context during these periods.

European history - a study of the way of life, beliefs and achievements of the people living in Ancient Greece and the influence of their civilisation on the world today.

World history - A study of the key features, including the ordinary lives of men, women & children, of a past society selected from: Ancient Egypt, Ancient Sumer, the Assyrian Empire, the Indus Valley, the Maya, Benin or the Aztecs.

Ages 11 - 14

Britain 1066 - 1500 - a study of major features of Britains medieval past: the development of the monarchy, and significant events and characteristic features of the lives of people throughout the British Isles, including the local area if appropriate.

Britain 1500 - 1700 - a study of crowns, parliaments and people: the major political, religious and social changes affecting people.

Britain 1750 -1900 - A study of how expansion of trade and colonisation, industrialisation and political change affected the UK.

A European Study before 1914 - a study of a significant period or event in the pre-history or history of Europe.

A world study before 1900 - A study of cultures, beliefs and achievements of an African, American, Asian or Australasian society in the past (not from one of those listed under the 5 - 11 age group)

A world study after 1900 - A study of some significant individuals, events and developments from across the 20th C., including the two world wars, the Holocaust, the cold war and their impact on Britain, Europe and the wider world.

Phew, and is it me or does that look really great! I take it back - can I start school again and learn all that 8)
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i can say i am so fed up of history ( seeing as i left school last year)

we were fed some much history from junior school then to year 9

im so glad that we got the option of droping history, i dont think i could learn about the blitz anymore or stand my techer mr Rhodes anymore :D
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kthomp wrote:i can say i am so fed up of history ( seeing as i left school last year)

we were fed some much history from junior school then to year 9

im so glad that we got the option of droping history, i dont think i could learn about the blitz anymore or stand my techer mr Rhodes anymore :D
Well, I guess it's different strokes for different folks but I love history! :D

What subjects did you like?
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Yorkie wrote:I wouldn't be surprised if these days our leftie teachers were teaching kids about how awful British History was and what a terrible race we are!
If you're not adequately bashing yourselves, I know plenty of "reputable" academics on this side who are picking up the slack. I was in a horrid, horrid, horrid class this term (did I mention it was horrid?) that was nothing but British-bashing. To paraphrase my favourite quote: "Everything under Heaven--especially in Africa--is in utter chaos; the situation is wholly and completely the fault of the British. Hate them."

I was heartened, though, to read Niall Ferguson's wonderful Empire: How Britain Made the Modern World and listen to an Intelligence-Squared debate in which three distinguished British imperial historians (Ferguson, Andrew Roberts, and the venerable Lawrence James) quite literally wiped the floor with a group of extreme-leftist historians (and one journalist--some correspondent for the Independent.

For the record: I went down with the British ship in "Africa and the Extractive Industry 6395": I was the only "A minus" score in the class (A- is considered rather bad in grad school).
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Yorkie wrote:Right, that was getting a bit long so I thought I'd split it.

Your question got me thinking - what do they study? So I did some digging. The document I found was a little old but I don't think it will have changed too much.

Age 5 -11

Local history - how the area has changed over time or by a significant national event (I remember going out in a group and looking at the old buildings in our high street dating from the early 1600's)

British history - Romans, Anglo-Saxons & Vikings; Britain and wider world in Tudor times; and either Victorian Britain or Britain since 1930. Also aspects of histories of England, Ireland, Scotland & Wales and about the history of Britain in it's European and wider world context during these periods.

European history - a study of the way of life, beliefs and achievements of the people living in Ancient Greece and the influence of their civilisation on the world today.

World history - A study of the key features, including the ordinary lives of men, women & children, of a past society selected from: Ancient Egypt, Ancient Sumer, the Assyrian Empire, the Indus Valley, the Maya, Benin or the Aztecs.

Ages 11 - 14

Britain 1066 - 1500 - a study of major features of Britains medieval past: the development of the monarchy, and significant events and characteristic features of the lives of people throughout the British Isles, including the local area if appropriate.

Britain 1500 - 1700 - a study of crowns, parliaments and people: the major political, religious and social changes affecting people.

Britain 1750 -1900 - A study of how expansion of trade and colonisation, industrialisation and political change affected the UK.

A European Study before 1914 - a study of a significant period or event in the pre-history or history of Europe.

A world study before 1900 - A study of cultures, beliefs and achievements of an African, American, Asian or Australasian society in the past (not from one of those listed under the 5 - 11 age group)

A world study after 1900 - A study of some significant individuals, events and developments from across the 20th C., including the two world wars, the Holocaust, the cold war and their impact on Britain, Europe and the wider world.

Phew, and is it me or does that look really great! I take it back - can I start school again and learn all that 8)
Wow--that curriculum is MUCH broader than ours over here...maybe that's why every single "history of the Western World/Western Civilisation in one volume" book in the local shop--every one of them--is by a Briton. Every single one. Not kidding. Made choosing one very hard :D
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Something especially for you, Yorkie (making these things is my only real "talent" :D :D )

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kthomp wrote:i can say i am so fed up of history ( seeing as i left school last year)

we were fed some much history from junior school then to year 9

im so glad that we got the option of droping history, i dont think i could learn about the blitz anymore or stand my techer mr Rhodes anymore :D
Pfft :P :P says the history grad student!

You have a history teacher named "Mr Rhodes"?

:!: :!: :!: his first name isn't "Cecil", is it? (oh that's a geeky history joke, all right :D )
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kthomp wrote:i can say i am so fed up of history ( seeing as i left school last year)

we were fed some much history from junior school then to year 9

im so glad that we got the option of droping history, i dont think i could learn about the blitz anymore or stand my techer mr Rhodes anymore :D

Good Heavens. I love history. Especially the era of the American Civil War. I've been a CW re-enactor for 9 years or so now.
But everyone does have their own interests.
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