A "deep" discussion :O

Yorkie · Post by **Yorkie** » 16 years ago

Wow - it will take me some time to process that info on choirs! I'm sure I read somewhere that women were prevented from singing in English churches since the 11th centuary - hence the need for boy trebles to take the place of female sopranos.

On my most recent visit to York Minster earlier this month one of the guides mentioned that it was only in the last few years that women had been allowed to join the Minster choir - I was a bit surprised that it had taken so long!

Yorkie · Post by **Yorkie** » 16 years ago

kthomp wrote:we will still like you yorkie you have the right to your opinion

Ah, thanks. You see, that's why I like Christians - always ready to see the best in people and forgive

Mercy & Love to you all (I think I might make that my signature

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TullyBascombe · Post by **TullyBascombe** » 16 years ago

From what I've read none of the Orthodox churches are in communion with the RCC, both from the perspective of Vatican policy and that of the Patriarchs. The Greek Church that is in communion with Rome is not the Greek Orthodox, but is a type of Uniate church. http://www.catholicdoors.com/faq/qu14.htm#answer1" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

If you check out Anglican web sources you'll find that officially transubstantiation is part of Anglican doctrine, as witnessed by this excerpt from the cathecism:

Q. What is the inward and spiritual grace given in the Eucharist?
A. The inward and spiritual grace in the Holy Communion is the Body and Blood of Christ given to his people, and received by faith.

Yes, this passage was written in a fashion to be acceptable both to people who believe in transubstantiation and those who don't.

Anglican churches will allow anyone baptised in a church with similar sacriments and liturgy to take communion in an Anglican church. Generally the question is not going to come up because Bapttists, Pentacostals, Adventists, and etc. aren't going to want to participate in Anglican communion anyway.

kjackson83 · Post by **kjackson83** » 16 years ago

Yorkie wrote:On my most recent visit to York Minster earlier this month one of the guides mentioned that it was only in the last few years that women had been allowed to join the Minster choir - I was a bit surprised that it had taken so long!

Ely Cathedral stirred up serious controversy by adding a girl's choir alongside their typical English cathedral ensemble in 2006...the Wiki entry is a bit dramatic ("breaking thousands of years of tradition"), but the innovation remains the same.

The US has several girls' choirs, and several large German cathedrals have incorporated them as well (the Dresdner Madchenchor, for example)...I've heard San Francisco's girls' chorus giving Carmina Burana and the hauntingly beautiful, unaccompanied motet Tota pulchra es, Maria (Maurice Durufle)--and I hate to admit it: I don't really care for the sound. In a church like the Dresdner Dom, the timbre can be shrill and piercing--it lacks the "warmth" of the treble sound.

kjackson83 · Post by **kjackson83** » 16 years ago

TullyBascombe wrote:Yes, this passage was written in a fashion to be acceptable both to people who believe in transubstantiation and those who don't.

I don't--and the wonderful thing about TEC is that I've never felt like (or been treated like) some kind of heretic for being frank about not accepting the teaching of transubstantiation (and listen, folks: if you had the wine at my little church, you'd probably wonder what that stuff was, too!). But I do believe in and accept the importance of the act of Communion--transubstantiated or not...now, if this puts me beyond the pale as an Episcopalian, well.....but I don't think it does.

Anglican churches will allow anyone baptised in a church with similar sacriments and liturgy to take communion in an Anglican church.

A somewhat related story:
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TullyBascombe · Post by **TullyBascombe** » 16 years ago

Yes, that's been in the news here too. He evidently was one of the more popular priests in southern Florida. One look at him and you can see it would have been extremely difficult for him to keep the vow of celibacy.

I don't kow why the RCC is complaining about this. They have had a longstanding policy of accepting Episcopalian priests into their church. I don't think it requires a consultation.